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Kommentar til Sultestrejkende kurder indlagt af abdou aly

abdou aly — Mon, 14 May 2012 00:26:29 +0000

Han ud skrivet næst dag… men han er inlagt igen idag den 13 maj 2012 ca.kl16:00
men forskellen mellem de 2 gange at han blev køret til sygehuse med en taxa selvom han var bevidstløse ( der var ingen ambolace i Danmark eller han ambulancen er ikke til asylsøgerne. aner jeg ikke men Asyllerje adminestration skal give svar om det). men for at man være ærlige han blev kæret med ambulance den anden gang.

Kommentar til I dag er vi alle armeniere! af ertan

ertan — Thu, 10 May 2012 22:48:43 +0000

efrino nej , for heldigvis er jeg ik racist eller i det mindste kommer med racistiske udtalelser som dig-)

men jeg ser dine indlæg tit herinde som viser du netop er godt på vej til at være dette eller måske er det:)

Fremfor at du ska skrive sådan så kom hellere med dine argumenter fremfor mine som jeg skriver, men hvis du ik har eller ik kender historien godt nok så klap kæften:-)

mening er jo at få en debat ud af det jo.:-) men jeg det kræver du intelligent min ven.)

PS: ska huske og sige det ville glæde mig hvis du har viden til at overbevise mig at det netop ik er sandt det jeg skrev i mine tidligere indlæg.

Kommentar til I dag er vi alle armeniere! af Efrino

Efrino — Thu, 10 May 2012 16:08:32 +0000

Ertanhva med din mor flover hun dig over hun har racist søn!

Kommentar til Socialdemokrat: Der var ikke noget armensk folkemord af Anna Karapetian

Anna Karapetian — Tue, 08 May 2012 21:07:19 +0000

“KHOJALU” IS A SPECULATIVE POLITICAL CAPITAL FOR OFFICIAL BAKU
Azerbaijan has started its traditional anti-Armenian campaign related to the 1992 events in
the settlement of Khojalu – a village in the territory of Nagorno Karabakh, which, in 1988-
1990, was intensively populated by the AzSSR authorities, in particular, with Meskhetian
Turks from the Fergana valley of Uzbekistan, to give it a status of a town. The official
propaganda doesn’t disdain any means to make the Armenian party guilty of the tragedy
and inject a new portion of hatred towards Armenians into the international public
conscious and the thought of its own people.
On February 25-26, 1992, the authorities of the Nagorno Karabakh Republic organized a military
operation for lifting the blockade of the airport near the settlement of Khojalu and for
neutralizing the enemy’s fire points just in Khojalu, from where, since the spring of 1991, the
NKR settlements had been periodically attacked by the Azerbaijani OMON (Special Purpose
Militia Detachments) groups and systematically shelled from Alazan, Crystal, and Grad rocket
volley fire facilities. For the period till neutralizing the fire points in Khojalu, over 20 Armenian
civilians had been killed and hundreds had been kidnapped; thousands of cattle and small cattle
had been driven away from the nearby collective and private farms.
Due to the lasting blockade, a great number of refugees, the lack of fuel, the forced stagnation of
enterprises, the siege of the inter-regional roads and others, the situation in the NKR, and
especially in its capital town of Stepanakert, worsened with the time, the food products,
medicines, and fuel were exhausted, as a result of which lifting the blockade from the airport and
neutralizing the enemy’s fire points in Khojalu became an extremely important step for the
physical survival of Nagorno Karabakh’s population, which Azerbaijan tried to subject to death.
The necessity of neutralizing the military base in Khojalu was, in particular, caused by the fact of
concentration of manpower and offensive weapon there. The Azerbaijani authorities deployed
numerous OMON units in Khojalu; besides, fighters of the Azerbaijani Popular Front settled in
Khojalu. The NKR leadership had to prevent the intended operation of the Azerbaijani armed
forces on the attack of the Armenian regional center of Askeran and later – Stepanakert.
The military operation on liberating Khojalu and deblocking the airport started on February 25,
1992, at 11:30 pm and ended on February 26, at 3:00 am. The NKR self-defense forces’ units
left a corridor for the civilians to safely leave the military operations area, of which the
Azerbaijani party had been informed beforehand. The corridor extended from the eastern suburb
of Khojalu to the north-east, along the Karkar River bed and from the north suburb of the
settlement to the north-east. But, the Azerbaijani authorities did nothing to lead the civilian
population out of the military activities area.
During the military operation in Khojalu, the NKR self-defense forces released 13 Armenian
hostages, including one child and six women, took as trophies two Grad MM-21 volley fire
rocket facilities, four Alazan facilities, one 100-milimeter howitzers, and three units of armored
equipment. The NKR Artsakh Rescue Service discovered 11 bodies of civilians in Khojalu and
its suburbs. The territory, where frames with numerous bodies of killed civilians were made
later, is situated in three kilometers from the town of Aghdam and 11 kilometers from Khojalu,
and it had been under the permanent control of the Azerbaijani units up to Aghdam’s fall in
summer 1993, which excluded any access to the territory for the Karabakh Army’s units.
The NKR authorities had informed the Azerbaijani party about the scheduled operation on
neutralizing the fire points in Khojalu two months before its start, which was repeatedly
confirmed even by the Azerbaijani officials, in particular, the then President, Ayaz Mutalibov.
But, the column of civilians, as it was noted above, was fired at the approaches to the Aghdam
region, which was later confirmed by Mutalibov who interpreted this criminal act as the
opposition’s attempt to dismiss him from the position, making him answerable for all had
happened.
Later, the frames made by the Azerbaijani cameraman Chingiz Mustafaev, who was also given
access to the place of exchanging the bodies of the deceased Armenians and Azerbaijanis, were
disseminated. It is known that Mustafaev made the film twice, with a two-day break. The film
testifies that some bodies had been disfigured by the second filming.
During the second fly to the area of mass killing of the people, March 2, 1992, the journalists
noted that the bodies’ position on the land and the degree of the injuries and wounds had
strikingly changed. And this was in the territory fully controlled by the Azerbaijani Popular
Front till the summer of 1993. Just this fact is thoroughly concealed by the Azerbaijani
propagandists. It is quite obvious that the bodies’ position was changed to put all the blame for
the events on Armenians, making semblance as if the Khojalu inhabitants were fired by the
Armenian party.
This fact was so shocking for Mustafaev that he introduced it to President Mutalibov who had
obviously guessed the tragedy’s reasons by the moment. Mutalibov answered with really
prophetic words, “Chingiz, do not tell anybody about what you have noticed. Or, you’ll be
killed”.
Hesitating that is was committed by the Armenian party, Mustafaev started his independent
investigation. But, after his information in DR-Press Information Agency in Moscow on the
possible participation of the Azerbaijani party in the crimes against the Khojalu inhabitants, the
journalist was killed not far from Aghdam, under unclear circumstances.
By the way, the fate was shared by field commander Ala Yakub who had stated carelessly that
“…he could cast light on the slaughter near Nakhijevanik (an Armenian village near Khojalu), as
well as give sufficient details on the recent downfall of the helicopter over Karabakh, with state
figures in it”, for which the Azerbaijani Popular Front, on coming to power in summer 1992,
arrested him and brought to death in the prison ward…
Czech journalist Yana Mazalova, who, by an oversight of the Azerbaijanis, was included in both
groups of the mass media representatives, to whom the “bodies disfigured by Armenians” were
demonstrated, noticed a considerable difference in the bodies’ condition. Having visited the place
immediately after the events, Mazalova didn’t see any traces of barbarity on the bodies. And two
days later, the journalists were shown the disfigured bodies already “prepared” for filming.
Some details of the military operation on neutralization of the enemy’s fire points in Khojalu are
still vague, on which official Baku actively cashes in for achieving its political goals. The topic
of ‘Khojalu’ is still one of the corner-stones of the Azerbaijani domestic and foreign information,
or rather, misinformation policy in the context of the Karabakh issue. Meanwhile, the statements
and assessments on the Khojalu events made by some high-ranking Azerbaijani officials, human
rights activists, journalists, and inhabitants of Khojalu refute completely the false theses of Baku.
Thus, Azerbaijani human rights activist Arif Yunusov writes: “The town and its citizens were
deliberately sacrificed to the political goal” (Zercalo Azerbaijani newspaper, July 1992).
Following is the testimony by Tamerlan Karaev, in due time Chairman of the Supreme Soviet of
the Azerbaijani Republic: “The tragedy was committed by the Azerbaijani authorities,
specifically – by a top official” (Mukhalifat Azerbaijani newspaper, April 28, 1992).
Even Heydar Aliev admitted that “the former leadership of Azerbaijan is also guilty” of the
Khojalu events. According to Bilik-Dunyasi Agency, yet in April 1992, he expressed an
extremely cynical idea, “The bloodshed will profit us. We shouldn’t interfere in the course of the
events”.
Later, when representatives of the Popular Front came to power, Azerbaijani former Minister of
National Security Vagif Guseynov stated shortly before his arrest that “the January events of
1990 in Baku and the events in Khojalu are the doing of the same people”, hinting at some
political figures from the Azerbaijani Popular Front.
The abovementioned facts testify unambiguously that the Azerbaijani party is guilty of the
civilians’ killing in Khojalu, having committed a monstrous crime against its own people for
political intrigues and power struggle.
It is noteworthy that the number of victims stated by the Azerbaijani party increases from year to
year. A few days after the neutralization of the fire points in Khojalu, the number of casualties
stated by the Azerbaijani officials made 100, increasing in a week to 1234; according to the
parliamentary commission’s “specification”, it made 450, and in Heydar Aliev’s decree “On the
Azerbaijani Genocide” the casualties were estimated at thousands.
Meanwhile, by the start of the military operation in Khojalu the settlement had not comprised
such a number of civilians, which is, by the way, confirmed even by the Azerbaijani official
sources. The majority of about 2000-2500 inhabitants of Khojalu, or those who really lived there
and were not just registered during its intensive construction for giving it the status of a town,
had left the village beforehand.
Thus, in late April 1993, at the CSCE Conference in Prague, the AR MFA disseminated
document #249 entitled as “The list of the Azerbaijani-populated and mixed villages occupied by
the Armenian armed forces”. In this document, the number 855 was put in the column of
‘population’ opposite the name of ‘Khojalu’.
In early March 1992, Azerbaijani journalists Ilya Balakhanov and Vugar Khalilov brought to the
office of Memorial Human Rights Center a videocassette with the record of the place of Khojalu
inhabitants’ killing made by Baku TV reporters from a military helicopter and just in place.
Actually, all the attendants admitted that the number of the casualties in the video didn’t exceed
50-60 people.
It should be also noted that the NKR Foreign Ministry disclosed a false photo placed at some
Azerbaijani websites, including their honorable webpage of The Heydar Aliev Fund, which
allegedly testifies to mass killings of Azerbaijanis in Khojalu. In fact, the photo has a direct
relationship to the events in Kosovo. The Azerbaijani propaganda uses also other false materials,
in particular, photos of the Kurdish pogroms’ victims in Turkey, to mislead those uninformed.
A month after his resignation, Mutalibov gave an interview to Czech journalist Dana Mazalova,
which was published in the Nezavisimaya Gazeta. Speaking of Khojalu, Mutalibov noted,
“According to the Khojalu inhabitants who escaped, all this was organized to dismiss me. Some
forces acted to discredit the President. I don’t think that the Armenians, strictly and
professionally treating similar situations, could let the Azerbaijanis gain any documents exposing
them in fascist actions… The general reasoning is that a corridor for the people to escape was
really left by the Armenians. Why then should they fire? Especially in the area near Aghdam,
where sufficient forces were available for assisting the people”.
About 10 years later, the Azerbaijani ex-president confirmed his own idea in the interview to
Novoye Vremya magazine, “The massacre of the Khojalu inhabitants was obviously organized by
somebody for dismissing the power in Azerbaijan”.
In February 2005, Azerbaijani journalist Eynulla Fatullaev from Monitoring independent
magazine spent ten days in the NKR, describing his visit in his materials and interviews. He also
dared to doubt the truthfulness of Baku’s official version on the death of some Khojalu
inhabitants, “…Once, ten years ago, I met with the Khojalu refugees, temporarily living in
Naftalan, who frankly told me… that a few days before the attack, the Armenians, with the help
of loudspeakers, kept warning the population of the scheduled operation, suggesting the civilians
to leave the settlement and break out of encirclement via a humanitarian corridor, along the
Karkar River. Even according to the Khojalu people, they took advantage of this corridor and the
Armenian soldiers on the other side of the corridor didn’t really fire them… Getting acquainted
with the geographical area, I can confidently say that the inventions on the lack of an Armenian
corridor have no grounds. The corridor really existed; otherwise, the Khojalu people, fully
encircled and isolated from the outer world, couldn’t have run the rings and broken out of
encirclement. But, having run the area over the Karkar River, the refugees divided into groups
and, for some reason, a part of them made their way to Nakhijevanik. Apparently, the APF
battalions sought more blood on their way to Mutalibov’s dismissal and not the liberation of the
Khojalu inhabitants”.
A few days after the Monitor’s publication of Eynulla Fatullaev’s first report from Karabakh, the
magazine’s editor, Elmar Guseynov, was shot, March 2, 2005, in the entrance into his house in
Baku by a stranger. And Eynulla Fatullaev was convicted of a series of accusations, including of
high treason…
AR ex-minister of defense Ragim Gaziev also confirms that “a trap was prepared for Mutalibov
in Khojalu”. In this way, the organizers of the mass massacre of the Khojalu inhabitants achieved
two goals at once – dismissed Mutalibov, who became needless after the USSR collapse, and
gained a reason for starting a noisy campaign on accusing the Armenians of inhuman war
methods. The fact that since February 13, the Azerbaijani army had systematically destroyed the
55-thousand town of Stepanakert and other nearby Armenian settlements from Grad facility took
the second place.
A Khojalu woman said in her interview to the Helsinki Watch on April 28, 1992, “The
Armenians delivered an ultimatum… that it was better for the Khojalu inhabitants to leave the
town with a white flag. Alif Gajiev (leader of the Khojalu defense) informed us about it on
February 15 (10 days before the attack), but this didn’t frighten either me or the rest. We didn’t
believe at all that they would be able to capture Khojalu”.
However, following these warnings, the majority of the civil population of Khojalu, being
informed of the planned operation, moved to a safe place beforehand. The mass out-migration of
the Khojalu population was widely covered by the Azerbaijani TV and Radio. The Azerbaijani
mass media created deliberately a negative attitude to those leaving Khojalu and disgraced them
constantly. We should note that Khojalu, which was turned into a town, was first left just by the
people who had been forcedly moved here, mainly Meskhetian Turks, though they were
constantly obstructed. Moreover, the municipal administration of Khojalu, which had been
warned by the Armenian party, asked for assistance in evacuation of the population, but in vain.
The Khojalu Mayor noted in his interview to Megapolis-Express Moscow newspaper that “after
getting the news on the expected operation on the town capture I asked Aghdam to send
helicopters for evacuation of the old people, women, and children. We were assured that a
deblocking operation was prepared. But, no assistance was provided”. And board member of the
APF Aghdam branch R. Gajuev stated, “We could help the Khojalu people, having the
corresponding forces and abilities. But, the republican leaders wanted to demonstrate to the
people that they had no forces, wishing to call upon the CIS Army for help for suppressing also
the opposition with its support”.
As we see, the Khojalu inhabitants were merely left in the lurch; moreover, they were destined to
become victims of a power struggle.
However, by the start of the military operation, part of the civil population of Khojalu had left
the settlement, and by late February 1992, according to different sources, about 1,000-2,500
people had stayed there, the majority of them making soldiers of the Azerbaijani armed forces.
Investigating the destructions in Khojalu, the observers of Memorial Human Rights Center
confirmed the fact of artillery shelling and not persistent street battles, which could have resulted
in numerous victims. It should be also noted that the corresponding order, regulating the
behavior of the NKR self-defense forces, strictly prohibited violence over the enemy’s civilians.
All the civilians left in Khojalu were moved to Stepanakert, and a few days later, according to
their will and without any conditions, they were passed to the Azerbaijani party. After a thorough
investigation, the fact of voluntary passing of the Khojalu citizens to Azerbaijan was confirmed
in the conclusion of the Moscow Human Rights Center of Memorial Association, as well as
testified in the documentary film of Petersburg journalist Svetlana Kulchitskaya.
After the operation, the teams of Artsakh Republican Rescue Service, besides members of the
armed detachments dresses in military uniforms, found 11 civilians’ bodies, including a child and
four women, in Khojalu and its suburbs. So, the assertion of the Azerbaijani party on the alleged
mass massacre of Azerbaijani civilians in Khojalu is exposed. This is also testified by radio
interceptions of the Azerbaijani servicemen in Aghdam, later published even in the Azerbaijani
mass media.
It is noted in the report of Memorial Moscow Human Rights Center that a state forensic medical
examination of 181 bodies (130 men and 51 women, including 13 children) was made in
Aghdam, where all the refugees came. The experts’ conclusion testifies that 151 people’s death
was caused by bullet wounds, 20 people’s – by missile wounds, 10 people’s – by blow with a
blunt item. The NKR official structures informed the observers that they had passed to Aghdam
about 130 bodies (all those killed in Khojalu and near Nakhijevanik), 96 of which were buried in
Aghdam, and the bodies of the rest were taken by their relatives.
The comparison of the information of different sources, including the Azerbaijani ones,
convincingly demonstrates that the NKR self-defense forces didn’t plan and especially didn’t take
any actions on mass massacre of the civilians in the settlement of Khojalu.
It should be also noted that on February 26, 47 Armenians were taken hostages in Khojalu, but
only 13 were left there after the operation (including 6 women and a child); the rest 34 hostages
were taken by the Azerbaijanis in an unknown direction and we have no information confirming
their further stay in the Azerbaijani imprisonment.
Summarizing the abovementioned, we can state that the inhabitants of Khojalu became
hostages of the dirty games of the Baku authorities who later turned this tragedy into a
speculative political capital. Official Baku tries to introduce the Azerbaijani authorities’
betrayal of the Khojalu inhabitants as Armenians’ revenge for the bloody bacchanalia in
Sumgait. And the entire propaganda is realized with expressive insinuations and
aggravation of the ethnic intolerance and hatred towards Armenians. Regularly launching
the issue of ‘Khojalu’, official Baku tries to draw the attention of the international
community away from the Armenian massacres in Sumgait, Baku, Kirovabad, Khanlar,
and other settlements of Azerbaijan, in the whole territory of which open extermination of
Armenians was, actually, committed; it also took place in the borderline settlements of the
NKR, in particular, Maragha village where, in April 1992, the invaded subunits of the
Azerbaijani regular army fiercely killed about 100 civilians.
Unfortunately, the crimes committed by Azerbaijan are not given yet a corresponding
assessment by the international community.
NKR MFA Information Department

Kommentar til Socialdemokrat: Der var ikke noget armensk folkemord af Somebody

Somebody — Tue, 08 May 2012 20:42:55 +0000

Undskyld Esin Turan, hvem mener du “armenierne” presser til at tro, at det her folkemord er sket, er det dig? eller…
Der er ikke nogen der presser (dig) eller andre til at tro på noget du/i ikke tror på, det er jeres eget valg.
Hvorfor i alverden blander du ytringsfriheden i det her, hvem er efter dig og hvem har lavet om på love, siden du er begyndt at bekymre dig, for hvor ytringsfriheden er i det her ?
Hvorfor skulle man fængsle forskere som tænker anderledes, synes du kører langt ud af sporet hvad er din pointe?
Hvorfor skulle armenerne dog bruge noget som helst mod tyrkerne hvis ikke der havde været noget ? det giver ingen mening ?!

Kommentar til I dag er vi alle armeniere! af Ertan

Ertan — Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:10:07 +0000

Efrino hva med din mor flover hun dig over hun har racist søn:-)samt at vi bliver kaldt turkey ville ændre intet i vores stolthed ligesom du er med a være kurder. Men få nu den had ud af dig selv overfor tyrkere efrino eller ender du som terorist

Kommentar til I dag er vi alle armeniere! af Efrino

Efrino — Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:53:58 +0000

kalkunerne opfordrer nu at man ikke må kalde dem turkey på engelsk for de bliver genert af det

Kommentar til Hvor mange kurdere bor der i Danmark? af ertan

ertan — Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:41:31 +0000

jeg ser det som en adskillelse , her er spørgsmålet ik om man er kurder eller tyrker , men at vi ska leve sammen som vi har gjordt i 1000 år , men at man er terorist eller tilhænger er andet , og det er de fleste kurdere i dk, derfor adskil kurder og terorister….

Er fuld enig med ramazan..

Kommentar til I dag er vi alle armeniere! af ertan

ertan — Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:29:25 +0000

bedrettin hvem var det så der dræbte armenerne var det ik dine forfædre inklusiv:))idag er du armener imorgen kurder en anden måske jøde

hvorofr hader du så meget tyrkere??
hvis vi ska tale sandt , så ville jeg gerne hører om hvilke områder drabet skete på armenerne og hvem der i stor grad var med til at dræbe armenerne, var det ik kurderne?
Ja både den tyrkiske del og den armenske blev dræbt men ingen massakre er sket, hvis dette er tilfælde hvorfor svarer armenerne ik på tyrkiets tilbud på at få en kommision der kan undersøge denne sag??

En sidste ting bedrettin, hvad men hocali massakren armenerne gjorde på azeri tyrkerne hva syntes du om den , hvis vi ska kigge menneskeligt på sagen?? Sjovt i aldrig skriver om det, når jaa det var tyrkere der døde der , så det jo ok, undskyld det glemte jeg….

Kommentar til I dag er vi alle armeniere! af Cafer

Cafer — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:01:56 +0000

Hvornår bliver du så tyrker, eller hvad med grønlænder?